140 – The Benefits of Being a Bi-Vocational Pastor

Many times when I hear pastors talk about being bi-vocational, they speak about their current reality as something they hope to get out of as quickly as possible. And while working another job in addition to being a full-time pastor absolutely has its challenges, I believe there are some tremendous advantages to being bi-vocational.

In this podcast episode I interview Pastor Kevin Moore about how he chose to become a full-time teacher in addition to being a full-time pastor and the benefits he has realized as a result. I pray that this interview will encourage you and challenge you to think a little differently about bi-vocational ministry.

Check out Kevin’s Podcast that was mentioned in the show:  The Wounded Shepherd

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139 – Punishment, Pruning, or Positioning?

Pastor, have you ever experienced a season where it felt like you were losing momentum?

In this episode I share some honest thoughts and feelings surrounding some changes that have taken place in my ministry in recent months and years and how I’m wrestling with the questions:

  • Are we being punished?
  • Are we being pruned?
  • Or is God simply positioning His resources in such a way as to bring Him maximum glory?

I pray that this will be an encouragement and challenge to you and would love to hear any feedback that you’d like to share.

Here are the links to the podcast episodes I referenced in the show:

  • Click HERE and HERE for the episodes regarding a campus we lost due to some unhealthy people and circumstances beyond our control.
  • Click HERE for the episode about helping your staff leave in a healthy way.
  • Click HERE for the episode where we talk about transitioning a multi-site campus into an independent church plant.
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138 – How Do I Fund My Rural Church Plant?

Recently I had a conversation with a pastor friend who is working on launching a new church in rural Minnesota.  In our conversation he asked me two specific questions:

  • How do I go about funding my rural church plant?
  • How do I find a worship leader for my new church?

As I was answering his questions it caused me to remember some of the details of the early days of The RESCUE Church, which I share in this episode.

In this podcast episode I share a few details about how my church was originally funded and how our worship team evolved over those early years.

If you’d like to contact Pastor Bruce Rauma and encourage or help him in any way with the launch of Legacy Church, he would love to hear from you.

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137 – A New Resource for Rural Pastors

In this podcast episode I talk about the Rural Matters Institute, which is a brand new resource for rural pastors.  I highly encourage you to spend some time checking out all the resources available on their website.

In the weeks to come I will be interviewing many of the awesome pastors I met last week at the Rural Matters Conference.  Stay tuned.

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136 – Embrace the Mess

Proverbs 14:4 – “Without oxen a stable stays clean, but you need a strong ox for a large harvest.”

This verse tells us that if we want to receive a harvest we’re going to have to put up with some poo!

I can’t think of anywhere this sentiment is more relevant than the church!  In this podcast episode I encourage pastors to embrace the mess of ministry.


Click HERE to register for the upcoming Small Town Big Church Coaching Network!

Here is the book I mentioned in the show:  The Pastor: A Memoir by Eugene Peterson

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135 – You’ll Go Farther Faster with a Coach

A good coach can add incredible value to your life, leadership, and ministry.

  • A coach will provide you with insight from a different perspective. They see things you don’t see.
  • A coach will share their experience with you.
  • A coach will give you encouragement and motivation.
  • A coach will call out the best in you and push you to greater heights.
  • A coach will provide you with accountability.
  • A coach will ask good questions and offer creative ideas.
  • A coach will bring credibility to changes you need to make in your church.
  • A coach will save you time and money.
  • A coach will help you go farther…faster!

In this podcast episode I’m excited to share with you a brand new resource that we are making available to a limited number of small-town and rural pastors.

The Small Town Big Church Coaching Network is a 6-month opportunity for you to have access to two coaches who not only have a heart for small-town pastors, but bring years of proven and practical ideas and experience to the table.  Through this coaching network myself and Travis Stephens will walk along side you and help you go farther, faster in your church!

To reserve your spot in this coaching network CLICK HERE!


Here is the link to register for the Rural Matters Conference I mentioned in the show.

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134 – It Can Happen in My Small-Town Church!


  • Your church readily accepts trying a new way of “doing church” that has never been done before (at least not in your church).
  • Your people step up and accept REAL ownership, taking on work and responsibility.
  • Your people embrace new technology in order to fulfill the vision of the church.
  • Your people give financially to help fund the experimental trial run.

In this podcast episode I share a little slice of what’s been happening in my church in hopes that it will encourage and inspire you to believe…


Here is the link to the Rural Matters Conference I mentioned in the show.

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133 – Is a Campus Pastor Necessary for a Multi-Site Campus?

For a while now I have recognized that the church I lead has lost some momentum from our early push into multi-site church planting in rural communities.  We still have a HUGE vision of planting more and more campuses, but it seems progress towards that vision has become bottlenecked with a lack of campus pastors.  So we are currently wrestling with the question, Do we really NEED campus pastors?  We absolutely need good leadership in each of our campuses, but does that leadership all have to come from one person with the title of campus pastor?  I’ll explain more in this podcast episode and I’d love to hear your feedback.

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132 – Why We are Transitioning a Multi-Site Campus into an Independent Church Plant

In this week’s podcast I sit down with Pastor Tyler Ramsbey for a conversation about why and how we are transitioning one of The RESCUE Church’s current multi-site campuses in Garretson, South Dakota into an independent church plant under Tyler’s leadership.  I trust that you will find something interesting, challenging, or encouraging from the conversation.

Here’s the link to the podcast episode I mentioned in the show: 5 Reasons NOT to Hire Young Leaders

Below is the sermon I preached to our church in which I talked about our decision to move forward with releasing the Garretson Campus as an independent church.

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131 – Don’t Embrace a Mediocre Life

I recently ran across a blog post titled What If All I Want is a Mediocre Life?

The title grabbed my attention.  I would encourage you to check out the article for yourself so you can get an idea for what the author, Krista O’Reilly-Davi-Digui is trying to communicate.  Then I would encourage you to listen to my rebuttal on this podcast episode as I offer up several reasons why I absolutely believe we should AVOID a life of mediocrity.

I would love to hear your thoughts and feedback.  Please feel free to share!

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